Sepiroth Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 currently on stage 7A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
listful Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 - The individual may develop a "permanent stuttering" which persists even after amphetamine has long since been ceased. - In a similar way that the stuttering develops, an individual may develop a possible permanent difficulty talking, using correct grammar and sentence structure, or expressing thoughts to others. In severe cases, this may even resemble a schizophrenic's clanging or word salad. - Essentially, the mind at this point is irreversibly compromised. The user's personality might have changed permanently. The individual may be much more easily irritated for the rest of his/her life. Cognitive functioning will never work the same as it used to. Although the user may make improvements and greatly recover, it will almost always seem like something "isn't right" in the mind, or that something is "missing". Individuals will still be able to lead fulfilling lives, and some may make amazing recoveries where they feel normal again like they did before they ever began using. Unfortunately, in severe cases, the individual may never be the same again. Made it to 8. Difficulty talking, making thoughts come out, stutter. Can't access certain words, deep thinking, halted thoughts when I reach deeper. MARKED irritability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAwesome Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Scary...I am so glad that I quit. True Story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doge Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I remember reading this before and but reading it now I think I was in stage 6. It's pretty scary looking at the bigger picture like that. Stage 1 duration was shockingly correct for me back then I thought I was being very careful, but it didn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senplate Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Irreversible damage is just absurdly rare. The brain is remarkably resilient. Don't lose faith in recovery because you falsely believe you are permanently damaged. That said, quit now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
survived Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I think I was on 7 heading to 8. Scary stuff. Although, I don't believe there is irreversible damage to the brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveToHate Posted March 18, 2015 Report Share Posted March 18, 2015 Motivation..thank you for this scare or at least a brief moment of clarity in which I read this. Over the last couple hours I copied to word so i could make something to read on a daily basis. (I have it my own title, wrote a message to myself...mostly bc I thought I was going to OD literally just now but its turned out okay and the OD feeling has passed...and reformatted a bit for aesthetic purposes. (I will share what I just wrote with the group as there is no reason to post that which is already here. It may sound cheesy to some but I enjoy writing and the last 1.4 years being unemployed and hurting has allowed very few open gateways in which my soul is allowed to breathe and experience real feelings and moments of passion before the door closes yet again. So thank you for igniting something by posting this. To me, it's as if I am walking just behind with our footsteps in a unified Path to destruction.) Falling 8 Stories Title by Brian xxxx “Hello to you/myself, Brian. I hope you are reading this on a regular basis, or until the storm has passed, and it scares the shit out of you. Today, April 18, 2015, you had a moment of clarity when you began searching for guidance. You found this to be terrifyingly accurate so you Did the copy/paste thing and gave it your own title. Fitting too. You are at Stage 8 my friend and you are no longer driving the car. A reminder: at this moment you feel like you are going to die after having just taken a legal, but non-FDA approved, stimulant substitute after days of too little rest, water, and food; but lots of that little orange “Sirenâ€. Quit mixing these things dude. Tomorrow, 3/19/15, is a new day. I have found a doctor that can help. I will be honest and give him a full frontal of the REAL ME! I have allowed my addictions to ruin careers, ruin relationships, and shut out the people in this world who love me dearly. My truth will allow for a program that will be for me and give guidance that I will understand and it will help. DON’T FUCK THIS UP. Enough is enough. No more excuses. I have constructed this world of shit and I need to tear it down. (Feeling a little better after I took a Xanax. I have much less “impending doom†notion. Dumb fuck you.) So start reading. You've have traversed and/or currently on a 6 thru 8 roller coaster. I hope your current efforts are more “just in time†rather than “you've missed the boatâ€. There exist few things that you find either motivating or positive enough to endure several more months, let alone years, of the current agony of which you feel…all the timeâ€. It's okay to be scared. Welcome it with open arms. _______________________ one question: in the eight stages you state:...Amphetamine Use - (title xxx). No argument intended but Use and Abuse are so completely different. Eating my Rx of 30, 70mg Vyvanse in 3 days with no sleep , then buying 40, 30mg adderall and eating those all in the next 5 days...that's abuse. I consider "Use" synonymous to "as prescribed". Thoughts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinallyQuitting Posted May 9, 2017 Report Share Posted May 9, 2017 Wow! I can't believe how scarily accurate these 8 stages outlined are. I have been oscillating between stage 5 and 6 for a couple years now. Great post, thank you for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nic123 Posted January 11, 2019 Report Share Posted January 11, 2019 This is really good information not only users of Stimulants, but also their spouses and significant others as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free-Wok Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 4/13/2014 at 1:09 PM, ally said: Does anyone else feel they have been unfortunate enough to make it to stage 8? Yes, but you can't let a user-created list invade your mind like it's a certain truth. I am pretty sure I was at step 8 unless step 7 can last for a couple years. I will say I only would take adderall 1 week out of every month (the week after I got my script of 90 30mg pills to crush up and take to the dome over 8 days or so). Sometimes I'd try to give a third of it away or sell it before I even started going to town because the day or two ahead is all that mattered, knowing full well I would be wishing I had more when I run out. Those weeks I would be mentally bouncing around on day 1, an introverted version of the same on day 2, a full on schizo by day 3 while around strangers but also an extremely emotional loose cannon with people I trust, and (if I don't force myself to sleep a bit at this point) less emotional and more psychotic looking. You know that sense that you look like a looney toon to everyone else and DO. I would fucking (excuse the french) go to work like this 6 days a week. wtf is wrong with me? I seriously either looked autistic or insane to everybody or at least I was convinced of it. Not a pretty mental state to put yourself in in public. Anyway, snorting that much amphetamine to the dome in increasing binges for several years can't be good on said dome. I figured I would take another Mensa IQ test on one of their dates/locations which I had done it 8 years ago (not humble bragging on purpose, it's relevant!) and I could compare my timed logic/pattern recognition abilities (which is all IQ tests are) with what they were long before I reached rock bottom. I took the 1st in 2013 when I was about 25, and the 2nd six months ago at 33, and that was six months after quitting Adderall (Aug 2020)... the first time I took it i scored a 134, and this time I scored a 130. This is barely a shift. I already expected an even worse score for having simply aged 8 years, with 25 being a year i was coding a lot and exercising my mind all the time anyway. Beyond that, I'm 6 months off a decade of upper abuse and probably performed worse than i will 2 years from now in terms of focus and energy. I do feel pretty great though... but, also i was probably speeding out of my head during the first test. Either way, the standard deviation is 15 for IQ tests with an average of 100 (supposedly). I think you are fine. You need to focus on what you want to fix AND CAN FIX... tell yourself you are fine and can achieve anything you ever could; and make it an affirmation... a thought you say to yourself more times every day than the thought crosses your mind that you can't. Do this for a month and you will believe it, and it will be true, because it truly is based solely on what you believe is true unconsciously. P.S. - the writer of that list had incentive to make "the final stage" something worth dreading to readers currently addicted. If step 8 was "it might suck but you will be fine" then nobody on an earlier stage would have anything to be afraid of continuing down the road. Plus the person who wrote it him/herself can't have really written this without direct experience, no? How can they write about what can and cannot be certainly reversed long term? As far as we know, this is a post from a single person with an opinion he likes to be overly confident in. The information is interesting but a few of those steps were very far off. I started using adderall strictly for going out to parties. I was always more productive without it to be honest... also he fails to mention the spectrums of intake. There are too many questions that matter to determine how the brain will react over time (are you taking as perscribed? taking 10x the amount prescribed? taking street knock offs? snorting? popping? are you mixing it with alcohol? other drugs? what is your diet? are you optimistic in general? are you a smoker? are you staying up days on end? do you take it in large amounts with no break in the month? do you have a job? is it physically active? do you exercise? yada yada all rhetorical btw) Point is , you're going to be better than fine. You will be smarter than you ever were, because you have now tamed and got under control a dark side that you previously didn't know could control you and will not hesitate to... and having tamed that beast gives you that much more perspective to see things through. I forget exactly how the psychology goes, but Carl Jung (arguably the most important mind in pioneering modern psychology if not next to freud) believes you can't reach fulfillment or even unlock your most powerful self https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-y2DddsWQ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_dhIKUtGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamifids Posted September 20, 2021 Report Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 10:43 AM, Free-Wok said: Yes, but you can't let a user-created list invade your mind like it's a certain truth. I am pretty sure I was at step 8 unless step 7 can last for a couple years. I will say I only would take adderall 1 week out of every month (the week after I got my script of 90 30mg pills to crush up and take to the dome over 8 days or so). Sometimes I'd try to give a third of it away or sell it before I even started going to town because the day or two ahead is all that mattered, knowing full well I would be wishing I had more when I run out. Those weeks I would be mentally bouncing around on day 1, an introverted version of the same on day 2, a full on schizo by day 3 while around strangers but also an extremely emotional loose cannon with people I trust, and (if I don't force myself to sleep a bit at this point) less emotional and more psychotic looking. You know that sense that you look like a looney toon to everyone else and DO. I would fucking (excuse the french) go to work like this 6 days a week. wtf is wrong with me? I seriously either looked autistic or insane to everybody or at least I was convinced of it. Not a pretty mental state to put yourself in in public. Anyway, snorting that much amphetamine to the dome in increasing binges for several years can't be good on said dome. I figured I would take another Mensa IQ test on one of their dates/locations which I had done it 8 years ago (not humble bragging on purpose, it's relevant!) and I could compare my timed logic/pattern recognition abilities (which is all IQ tests are) with what they were long before I reached rock bottom. I took the 1st in 2013 when I was about 25, and the 2nd six months ago at 33, and that was six months after adderall withdrawal (Aug 2020)... the first time I took it i scored a 134, and this time I scored a 130. This is barely a shift. I already expected an even worse score for having simply aged 8 years, with 25 being a year i was coding a lot and exercising my mind all the time anyway. Beyond that, I'm 6 months off a decade of upper abuse and probably performed worse than i will 2 years from now in terms of focus and energy. I do feel pretty great though... but, also i was probably speeding out of my head during the first test. Either way, the standard deviation is 15 for IQ tests with an average of 100 (supposedly). I think you are fine. You need to focus on what you want to fix AND CAN FIX... tell yourself you are fine and can achieve anything you ever could; and make it an affirmation... a thought you say to yourself more times every day than the thought crosses your mind that you can't. Do this for a month and you will believe it, and it will be true, because it truly is based solely on what you believe is true unconsciously. P.S. - the writer of that list had incentive to make "the final stage" something worth dreading to readers currently addicted. If step 8 was "it might suck but you will be fine" then nobody on an earlier stage would have anything to be afraid of continuing down the road. Plus the person who wrote it him/herself can't have really written this without direct experience, no? How can they write about what can and cannot be certainly reversed long term? As far as we know, this is a post from a single person with an opinion he likes to be overly confident in. The information is interesting but a few of those steps were very far off. I started using adderall strictly for going out to parties. I was always more productive without it to be honest... also he fails to mention the spectrums of intake. There are too many questions that matter to determine how the brain will react over time (are you taking as perscribed? taking 10x the amount prescribed? taking street knock offs? snorting? popping? are you mixing it with alcohol? other drugs? what is your diet? are you optimistic in general? are you a smoker? are you staying up days on end? do you take it in large amounts with no break in the month? do you have a job? is it physically active? do you exercise? yada yada all rhetorical btw) Point is , you're going to be better than fine. You will be smarter than you ever were, because you have now tamed and got under control a dark side that you previously didn't know could control you and will not hesitate to... and having tamed that beast gives you that much more perspective to see things through. I forget exactly how the psychology goes, but Carl Jung (arguably the most important mind in pioneering modern psychology if not next to freud) believes you can't reach fulfillment or even unlock your most powerful self https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-y2DddsWQ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co_dhIKUtGs Your story is an unusual one and I believe you will do great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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