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    I can also say Straterra as I recently gave it a try as a "non-stimulant" supposedly non addictive ADHD alternative that works with your norephedrine uptake not with dopamine. First few days at 40mg gave me a little zing followed by a crash to where I felt very sleepy then a bit trouble sleeping at night. Doc said to try two and wow gave me a big zing however can't say super functional, a bit scatter brained honestly... Then bad insomnia and no libido whatsoever... I could see maybe this drug could work for someone who never tried Adderall and got the right dose figured out however definitely is not for me.
  2. It’s not clear to me if you have quit adderall and lost libido after quitting or if you are still taking adderall? In any event if you are still on adderall and it went away my guess is you have gotten used to your dose and you would need to increase your dose to get that drive back that you had before. It is common to need to keep increasing adderall dose to gain the same effects... Thus why after time many of us end up here struggling to quit. If you have quit adderall many here have expressed loss of libido during our withdrawals. I still find desire is less after more than 6mo off now however it has improved.
  3. Struggling. 5 months out.

    5mo is still early, be as strong as you can... Its one day at a time literally. I am just a bit over 6mo and for me I just recently fought off the depression. Still waiting for more things to improve once I make it a year plus... it will get better just stay close to your support here and keep sharing your thoughts
  4. Just need to vent

    WOW that's nuts! My aunt recently innocently stopped her abilify (also an antipsychotic) after it caused weight gain after only a few months of being on it. She got violently sick with major anxiety on top of it... She had no idea it was from abilify withdraws and went to ER had every test her docs could think of over a two week span until they finally related it to her stopping abilify!
  5. Just need to vent

    Did they try to prescribe you Abilify?? I had 3 different docs reccomend it, read horrible things about it... there must be a kickback on that shit or something...
  6. Take it or Tough it out?

    It’s all good, I understand your stance! Great video, Kelly Brogan is awesome. Well just like Joe Rogans friends had luck with ssri’s I did too however doesn’t solve the issues that she outlines especially the rare liver metabolism issue with some people.
  7. Take it or Tough it out?

    Frank I know you have strong opinions on this. I do believe your experience is as you said, I also believe everyone’s potential neurotransmitter imbalance is different. I had suicidal thoughts (first time ever) before taking the Zoloft so had little to loose and had family support to monitor me. And... for me it worked and had zero side effects in getting off it. I still fight with energy and concentration like everyone else here however my depression is gone after a month and a half of using and a month now being off it. I’d agree to try the lithium orotate and any other supplements would be a good try first. I did a number of vitamin cocktails that gave me a little more energy and decreased anxiety however just did nothing worked for my depression.
  8. Take it or Tough it out?

    If your struggling anything is better than adderall or other stims. I first tried Wellbutrin which only helped a little bit then really didn’t feel any benefit so I stopped. After much severe depression went on Zoloft only about a month and a half and it eliminated my depression, then on my own quickly tapered down and stopped just to see if the depression came back and it has not. Was very helpful besides made me a little tired while I was on it. Just remember everyone is different. A few here are agains SSRI’s as it made them feel worse. You have to pay close attention to how you feel while trying something new and if it works I would suggest keeping a goal of no more than 2-3 months and get off it.
  9. Just need to vent

    I am not sure about Franks dose however I take two of these (link to brand below) in the morning and two in the afternoon. Frank had posted a video with recommendations as well that had dosing recommendations toward the end. I started taking it with a vitamin cocktail I began daily that helped me but it's direct effects were mixed with all the supplements however I can say since Frank posted I have tried it by itself during times of a little anxiety or uneasiness and it really helped stabilize me...
  10. Depression or ADD or addiction???

    I can relate to the Sadness, I had lows where I would literally wake up fighting tears... Needless to say I tried Welbutrin first, it did help my motivation a bit for a few days however that quickly faded and it did nothing for the sadness. So I took my docs advice next and tried an antidepressant Zoloft. While I know a few here speak strongly against SSRI's for me it did help my overall mood and the "sadness" disappeared. I can say it did absolutely nothing for my motivation, maybe even slowed me down a bit however it really helped my mood and the sadness disappeared. After about a month and a half (that is all) I tapered down a couple days and stopped on my own just to see what happened... The sadness has not come back and my energy increased a bit... So maybe recommend trying something like this if you have not already. Everyone is different so you won't honestly know until you talk with your doctor a bit and try something like this. Until then just take it a day at a time, even in my lowest times good days would come in waves.
  11. Health issues 7ish months out

    Yes always good to go to a doctor and rule things out. I actually went and pushed to have every test, CT scan, endoscopy and colonoscopy and many blood tests. They really didn't find anything... All they came up with was if I am constipated eat more fiber and take MiraLAX, if I have acid issues take anti acids, probiotics recommended also. I did get them to agree that possibly stopping adderall has my system out of sync and potentially affecting the proper release of acids and digestive enzymes. My diet changes I believe helped a lot and with time has gotten a lot better. Some stomach symptoms can also be caused by stress as the withdrawal for me made me a bit paraniod and anxious. It is very common for stress to cause ulcers and other stomach problems.
  12. My first post here, I need to be free.

    Meth and Adderall are very similar. Difference is that Big Pharma makes Adderall so that makes it safe right..? haha - In the end they are both Amphetamines! I have found many articles about Meth and Adderall. Adderall is consistent as at least we know that it's pure in its consistent form while Meth will be inconsistent in quality, can often have some harsh additional chemicals and cutting agents. Also Meth is almost always abused while Adderall users do have some limits in what they can be prescribed and most stick to some sort of dose, and even the binge users of adderall are at least consuming a pure substance and when the bottle runs out has to wait while Meth users just need some cash to go buy more... All bad stuff! In my opinion Meth and Adderall are quite the same. Reading about the effects of Meth are very close in related withdraw and recovery symptoms and you can find more information on Meth than Adderall since Meth is Illegal and Adderall is protected by Docs and Big Pharma.
  13. Just curious as adderall and ritalin alter dopamine vs Strattera which works with norepinephrine for treating ADD and ADHD symptoms. Curious if anyone has had a good/bad experience or if it simply did nothing compared to the gold staple adderall? Not looking to jump on a new med or anything I just haven't seen this discussed much here and have read it to be a "safer" alternative.
  14. Health issues 7ish months out

    I had some weird stomach issues in the last months of using that got substantially worse after quitting in month 1-4... I do know lack of dopamine affects digestion, it is common in early parkinsons to have bad digestion, constipation etc. I think basically the digestive track slows down with lower dopamine levels. With time hopefully everything will normalize for you. Symptoms can last up to 1.5-2yrs in the meantime all you can do is treat your symptoms with diet, tums or whatever helps.
  15. Leslie, thank you so much for that touching sermon! Very Empowering. Sorry it took a few days to respond, I needed to find a peaceful time to watch it. God Bless
  16. I searched reddit for neurotrophic to aid in PAWS and adderall withdrawals and did not find much. What neurotrophic did you use that helped you? Also curious how did you use a countdown timer? Set at 2yrs? Sounds a little depressing...
  17. My first post here, I need to be free.

    Congrats on coming to the site and embracing the challenge of quitting! I quit cold turkey as well and it was miserable however I cant say that tapering is any better as I didn't try that. If you can make it thru the first few weeks things will slowly get better, so slow you won't even realize the changes at first. At 6mo now for me I am feeling like I can see a future of feeling normal. I still have some pretty low/off days however the good ones really give hope. All of your withdraw symptoms are things I have experienced. Some come and go and others I still battle like the headaches and eye pressure you mentioned. However I question if it is just allergies. I also question if adderall speeds up our system then fights off allergies to some degree as I never really had allergies until I quit... Beyond that depression and low energy are the most common lingering symptoms. There is nothing good about this drug! Read all the posts here and simply google long term affects of adderall and amphetamines... Nothing good!! Use this site as a resource and post your challenges and progress, we all need each other here for support. Lurkers don't realize that their posts "do matter". Best of luck to you!
  18. Eyesight After Quitting

    Who knows probably just the timing and age. I'm 45 now and always hear the 40"s is when it starts to hit you. I did get some reading glasses awhile back however its not so much being able to read as it is being able to read in low light is the part I recently notice the most.
  19. Among the long list of withdrawal symptoms of quitting has anyone noticed a decrease in vision and some eye discomfort after quitting? I feel like my eyes are almost sore/tired when I awake some days as well as noticing sensitivity to bright light such as walking from inside to a sunny outdoors as well as difficulty reading in low light. Wondering if the decrease in dopamine somehow is also affecting some sort of balance in neurotransmitters that affects vision. I have read some complain of blurred vision while on adderall however not a lot of detail about vision after quitting.
  20. Sounds wise that you tapered down your dose before stopping. You are still in the early stages however given that you tapered and also sounds like you may have skipped some days before stopping all together may have helped you. The biggest symptoms for myself (at 6mo) and just about everyone here is depression and fatigue/lack of modivation. Healing seems to go in waves. I now finally have some good weeks then suddenly ones that creep up and totally bum you out. Just take it one day at a time.
  21. Everything you said so true.... Tough it out one day at a time. Watch out out for the psychiatrist! Most of them will try to talk you into getting back on it... if you accept anything a lot of people seem to like Wellbutrin as depression/mood aid in quitting. Didn’t really work much for me after the first week though.
  22. Yeah the 5htp I was told would help with anxiety and sleep however easy to build a tolerance to it as well... I find a lot of vitamins help for a window then somewhat drop off. I tend to mix some things up if I run out of something I try to go a few days to see if I feel like I notice at all then substitute with something else and see if there is any noticeable change. With the lithium I currently take 2ea 120mg tablets. I have read 4 a day/ 2 in afternoon is good also
  23. I have taken it for about 2-3 months now along with a long list of supplements that include Tyrosine and 5-htp. The Tyrosine is absolutely helpful as I find if need just a little more focus/energy in the afternoon and take about 1000mg I can often get myself off the couch. The lithium orotate is in my very first am vitamins cocktail along with D3, K1, a multi, B12, B Complex, Taurine, NADH, Lystine, NAC and that's about it. This cocktail overall helps my good days actually occur. On days I forget I realize around lunch time that I just feel like I am dragging a bit. So if I happen to be near home I will take before lunch and I do get a bit of my mojo back.
  24. About to lose it all

    Once you quit you will find your anger outbursts diminish greatly in the matter of days! However you will be fatigued. Running will be a great tool no matter how unmotivated you are even running 1-2 mikes will help a lot. Tapering off will be likely a better option. Cut doses in half then slowly skip days would be what I wish I had done. Stopping cold turkey was really bad for me. Matter that it's just about making it one day at a time. The first 6mo are pretty hard, recovery is different for everybody however seems pretty consistent that people feel nearly back to Norma around a year of quitting. Please post your questions and progress even if you fail, this forum is very compassionate and helpful. Best of luck to you!
  25. Is Happiness Just a Word?

    2.5 months of recovery after a year of use is still very early. I used about a year and a half however stayed near your first dose. I am now just past 6mo and my journey has been awful. I can say docs are for the most part idiots. I have communicated the affects of Adderall and it's withdrawl and they have told me "taking Adderall is as safe as driving a car" and withdrawals only last about 30 days. I have been to two general practitioners, 3 neurologists a psychologist and a psychiatrist and they all look at me like I am crazy and suggest I resume the medication and "we should up the dose". I finally got one Neuro to do some research as I asked him if he would read some links that I would email, he was very supportive on my next visit. Anyway at 6mo now I feel a lot better, last week I was very busy and I was pretty focused at work for the first time. This weekend a bit lazy again however I will know more once Monday begins tomorrow with the busyness it will be apparent quickly if it's going to be a good day or bad day. The good and bad days come and go in waves it seems and you just have to take things a day at a time. The best stories with positive news on this forum are all around the 1-2yr mark. Best of luck and feel free to post your progress and questions in your journey.