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  1. After quitting adderall life becomes very demanding. All of a sudden its like, "Wtf you aren't supposed to enjoy working long repetitive hours?" And then you start to wonder whether tossing the pills was actually shooting yourself in the foot. When you first quit it's terrifying and depression encompasses your thoughts and your life around you. You begin to question whether or not you actually have what it takes to even keep your job in the midst of quitting. Life moves on however and you still have responsibilities. Luckily I've found some pretty interesting treatments that seem to be helping. For me, there's no way I would've made it to this point without a few adderall alternatives. 1. CBT - Everyday I discuss how my week went with a trained mental health professional. I tell him what I struggled with and what I did well with. I then set realistic goals for whatever improvements I want to see for the next week. 2. Exercise - Studies have shown that there is an increase in nearly every aspect of cognition when you exercise regularly. Staying consistent is the key though. 3. Friends and Family - They are your number one asset in life. After all, they're why I quit. There's a big difference between messing up and having a beer with your friends, vs a having beer alone at home. 4. Supplements - These are the most effective supplements I've found so far in getting through tough situations, especially at work - Energy drinks, rhodiola rosea, st. johns wort, lithium orotate, and piracetam. I'm sure there are many more out there, but I try to get by as often as possible without these. And I haven't tried this yet, but there is this watch out there that has an alarm system that vibrates and a message pops up on the screen reminding you to do something. So if you have a problem with making it to appointments or forgetting tasks that need to be done it will remind you in a subtle way. It's like having your memory worn on your wrist and only you know its there. Apparently you can program whatever message you want onto it, so it could also be like motivational quotes and stuff. Anyways I'll check it out. This is currently how i'm making it and I can honestly say i'm doing alright for the shape i'm in! edit: Here's the link to the watch: http://watchminder.com/products/watchminder3-in-white
  2. Its a great article and I agree with most of it. As far as the medical field's view on ADHD I think they are just treating patients with things that show an improvement in ability to handle symptoms whether that be short term or long term. Basically ADHD kids have become lab rats in a sense. I think most doctors do legitimately want to help, but others are only worried about their damn paychecks and throwing out mind-altering substances to children and adults who believe their doctor knows what's best.
  3. You don't have to apologize for being desperate, this is a very tough thing to go through! Basically the way I see it you have 3 choices: 1. Avoid adderall and get your grades up by any means necessary. It could require a ton of caffeine as well as longer and more boring study periods. 2. Go back on adderall and get off of it as soon as you finish school. Just a warning though, it won't be easy to stop and you will rationalize every possible excuse to stay on it. 3. Look into more mild stimulants that run less of a dependency risk like rhodiola rosea, deprenyl, energy drinks, piracetam, nuvigil or provigil. They wouldn't help nearly as much as adderall, but they would help take the ease off. If it were me though I would stick with 1 or 3. Combine these treatments with some cardio exercises and you will see some pretty big improvements. The less reliant you can be of any substance though, the better off you will feel about yourself and your health. You don't have to rush anything though, especially in your case! keep us posted
  4. The overuse of dopamine in your brain is causing an influx of calcium ions. Your brain is going to produce more glutamates in an attempt to delute the calcium with an over production of glutamates. unfortunately this causes adderall tolerence and is actually toxic enough to make brain cells explode. All you need is an NMDA receptor antagonist such as chelated magnesium taken every night to slow the tolerence down or stop it completely. This worked for me back when I was on adderall. Did you get all of that?
  5. I've actually been wondering about this myself. I think it is important to remember the good things about Adderall. The focus and energy part was great, but the side effects it had including the relationship issues, are the reason we all wanted to quit. Even the focus and energy was too much at times. I've come across some over the counter supplements that help with exactly what you are struggling with. They aren't nearly as powerful as adderall, but that is why they are better. They're called nootropics and they actually work pretty well. There are ones that work like adderall and ones that do things adderall can't. When people can't focus the doctor prescribes them adderall. This is comparable to using a forest fire to roast a marshmallow. Using a simple nootropic such as caffeine, adrifanil, or something like rhodiola rosea would get the job done. They are like the campfire to the marshmallow. Some of them like piracetam have actually been shown to increase focus, memory, and protect and promote growth in neroplasticity. Basically, it's healthy to be taking it everyday with little to no side effects. It's actually well known as one of the safest nootropics out there. Motivation_follows_action, you may not like lumosity, but it helps me. You may not like physical exercise, but you know it's healthy. You may not like mental exercise, but lumosity and books do help exercise the mind. http://www.whatarenootropics.com/ http://www.buildingbrainpower.com/get-smarter-sample/ I just re-read my post too, it almost sounds like I'm trying to promote this website, but I swear I'm not. It just helped me a ton. Its either this or coping with yourself the way you are. im not saying one is better than the other(supplements vs. coping) but other people might be happier with supplements. Also longecity.com has an incredible amount of info regarding supplements from people that are currently using them with great success.
  6. Waronwar, it sounds to me like you have the recipe for success (doing your best day to day, a good family life ect.). It's now just a matter of when! Unfortunately chronic fatigue can be caused by loads of different conditions, but they are almost all curable/treatable. Just remember to try different things and you'll find a solution. Trust me I've been where you're at before and I know how scary it can be. On the bright side however, you will be unstoppable when you find you're looking for. Like I say it's just a matter of when! Also remember there are medications that may help! Just because adderall didn't work out doesn't mean medications are useless all together!
  7. Waronwar, if you don't mind me asking.. how is your family relationship? The reason I ask is because it was a major factor behind me getting through this rough patch. Actually my relationship with my family was so bad that it was probably the biggest reason I quit. I realized that I was a complete ass and that I treated my dog better than my siblings. When quitting it helped me to have a reason other than myself. You say you want to get away and IMO thats good, but only if you have the intent of quitting so you can work toward doing something that will lead to a happier relationship with your family. That way it's definitely worth fighting for and you get to be healthy AND feel good inside in a way that Adderall can't artificially bring. My point is you are basically getting a second chance at life, you can use this time to start making good habits that you couldn't while on adderall. Be exactly who you want to be!
  8. Many people here are struggling with quitting and are despairingly worried about their future. Now that all your confidence is blown and the shield you put up with Adderall is broken, you get to be completely vulnerable. Luckily for you though, good things happen to those that are humble! It is the fastest way we learn. It may be painful, but the pain does eventually subside. For the first time in a long time you can now get rid of your problems instead of popping a pill and just dealing with them. The confidence you gain in your real life will blow Adderall's artificial confidence out of the water because you will actually feel like you earned it! I made the decision to quit a little over 3 weeks ago. The first day was absolute hell. The second day wasn't much better and the third day was a relapse. In fact, there were quite a few relapses. It wasn't even until a few days ago that I realized why. ADHD is almost synonymous with impatience. If you think back long enough to the time when you were first put on medication, you would most likely realize the reason behind it was impatience. You needed help and the natural route wasn't fast enough, you wanted results NOW! That's why Adderall is so attractive. It offers instant relief from ADHD symptoms. Now I'm not saying ADHD is not real, but for most of us, Adderall was taken out of selfishness to help ourselves make our lives "normal". From a lack of patience! Had I not gone through these steps however, I would have kept relapsing. Simply resisting that damn pill isn't enough. You have to make your life better than it was on Adderall. You need to see things are going to be better, and until you do, you will continue to fail. This is what I have learned. "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." -Albert Eintein http://quittingadderall.com/how-to-quit-adderall/#phase1 I just wanted to expand on these as well based on my experience, because it might help someone. Phase 1 This also involves making preparation. Just because you are still on Adderall at the moment doesn't mean you can't make yourself useful. You need to plan yourself a vacation of some sorts. At least for a week. The hardest variable about quitting will come from having a job. If you can't wait for a time off, you may have to wait for the holidays. I'm more than positive your boss will be willing to work with you! Also don't get down about relapses. If you truly want to quit, they'll just remind you why. The relapses I had afterwards only made me so disappointed in myself that I had more determination to quit. Phase 2 Absolutely no caffeine for at least two weeks!! Even at that point, you should limit your consumption to 2-3 times a week for emergencies only. Remember, you're already withdrawing from Adderall, why would you want to withdraw from caffeine? I mean do what you want, but you wont want to fall under the assumption that caffeine withdraws are weak compared to Adderall withdraws. Trust me I'm paying for that right now. There's two things I want to say that I think are very important for everyone to hear! First, I wasn't confident in this mess until I learned more about patience. It wasn't until I was truly patient that I was happy about quitting and getting through this. Patience is not simply waiting though, it is doing doing what we can with the hope and faith of something better. It is getting through the hard times of life with style. We don't know how the next 5 months will go, but we have faith that we will get through and be happy. After I learned this, I not only had a stronger desire to succeed, but it also became fun!!! Second, you didn't waste your time on however many years you were on Adderall. It has been a great learning experience for all of us and there is no such thing as wasted time, as long as we learn from our mistakes. This is what life is about and learning is why we are here! Be happy that this mess will make you unique in a lot of ways and the happiness you will have from overcoming it will make you even more confident. Don't think of it as a nightmare think of it as a new beginning toward a life that suites you!! A new chapter in your life, cause that's exactly what it is
  9. I was thinking about this a lot today. In my opinion I don't think Adderall is a bad thing if used correctly, but that's the thing, nobody uses it correctly. Most people think, well because I have ADD Adderall isn't addicting. Its medicine and the doctor says its safe to be on it all the time to control my symptoms. Well that's bullshit! Any drug like this wasn't meant to be long-term. Adderall has the ability to make you think "Well now that I can focus and get anything done, I must be normal." "Now that I can handle my entire life, I think adderall is the right medication for me." But it usually never is. What people don't realize is their little quest to make themselves "normal" actually did the opposite for them. The reason you were angry is because you didn't feel like you were living your own life. Because you weren't. You were aimlessly tweaking and "getting stuff done" hoping it would somehow make progress towards your life and the things that you enjoy. Life is supposed to be hard and Adderall is just used as an easy way out. But anyone who tries to take an easy way out, usually ends up making life harder in the long run. Congrats on the decision to quit! I think you are definitely making the right choice and you're much better off annoying people with your ADHD than actually wanting to beat them up!
  10. Well I have known that I need to quit for a while now. Adderall has made me a very emotionless person and made me feel like I have no sympathy. I have to force myself to have hobbies and I never do anything I less I think it will benefit me. It's as if someone flipped off my "give a shit" switch up there in my brain! I need to be a better person for my family and friends. I want to quit but I'm worried. I am a senior in high school and its my final month. There's a lot of stuff to do and I have to get up early every morning for school. I have a job as well and im working 20 hrs a week on top of school. I'm also worried that if I quit I'll suffer through some sort of major depression. I feel like it will be hard to get through daily tasks like before I started. Any advise ?
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