Frank B
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I’ll take your word not watching it. Bet if u do research youll see which pharmaceutical company funded it lol.
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Just me but on most cloudy days are you usually worthless? Wonder if quitting makes us extra sensitive to needing vitamin D from the sun. I take Vitimin D supplement but don’t think it does a damn thing.
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4 hours ago, Catherine1 said:
Thanks @Frank B Last time I tried to work from home during it and it was impossible. I cut my dose in half today and I’m starting to feel nauseous ands bit dizzy, also I feel exhausted even though I went to bed around 9 last night. When returning to work, how did you be productive? I don’t know if I know how to do it without adderall, I’ts good to know it’s all mental, I think in the end, after my brain heals I’ll end up feeling better and doing better at work than when I was on the adderall.
It’s not 100% mental should retract that statement possibly after stopping opioids first the physical side seemed easier to deal with far as being physically uncomfortable. I wish had a answer on how to return to a 9-5 job and be productive right from the get go. I’m sure plenty of people have gone back to work in a office settimg successfully and sometimes I ponder if having someone over my shoulder holding me accountable would have been more beneficial.
You must switch your thinking of how can I do my job without it? That’s not a option anymore like all of us the drug just stopped working. It will never return to being beneficial. The only thing that keeps me going back is the number of people who quit for months even years then go back on it only to return saying what a mistake. Yet to see one person back on here say how going back solved all their problems. It’s a very frightening reality but always could be worse people lose legs, arms, eyesight etc and make it in life. We just lose a superhuman drug that gave us unlimited motivation and energy. We can go on to be successful but must allow ourselves to be subpar for a very good amount of time.
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13 hours ago, sleepystupid said:
totally this. i was so tweaked out at work, people just ended up accepting that's how i am. i even got the nickname TRON at work, cause i'd change conversation topics so abruptly.
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proud of you for coming clean to your boss. that's a REALLY tough conversation to have, but it shows that you're committed to fixing your life. i'm assuming that you've already started your leave from work? if you're staying with your friend for a while, and you're not working, i would strongly suggest to go cold turkey or a very aggressive taper schedule. as @Frank B said, you need to get to 0mg as soon as possible, so that you can make the best use of the time you have off... best use being doing nothing and just healing (:
I love playing Tron such a game ahead of its time beautiful masterpiece.
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Catherine, last time you quit for 3 days were you going to work? You keep asking about getting over withdraw symptoms. For me I had physical withdraw quitting opioids muscle twitching, could not sleep, sweating rapid heart beating. Addy had really no physical withdraw long as I could lay in my bed watch Netflix I was fine. The withdraw symptoms comes after you get a month off to chill then must return to real life being a productive person to make a living and not end up homeless. It’s all mental but it’s by far not fake it’s real as fuck we really screwed our brain chemistry up and takes a lot of time and effort to recover.
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On 3/13/2018 at 9:01 PM, Cheeri0 said:
Yeah, the fact that this is what people want is what upsets me. It's telling about American culture. That's what I meant. I couldn't care less about the media. The fact that this is what capitalism has created shows what America is really about right now. Which is upsetting to me.
It’s mind control keep drugs like pot illegal a drug that expands the mind and free thinking. But have speed a drug that keeps us all busy working bees and care less about the bigger picture legal. FYI I don’t smoke pot puts me to sleep but no logical reason it’s illegal anywhere. It’s so fucking ridiculous give a 6yr old speed having trouble in school “focusing” but can not give a 6yr old pot battling cancer in chemo to help him feel better and have a appetite, no give that child opioids and if he recovers amphetamines to catch up in school. Society is fucking so messed up.
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I’m not trying to be rude or judgmental but your getting a few weeks off work, your heart is in danger why is visiting friends more important than jumping on stopping this drug right now? Wouldn’t they understand and possibly be much happier seeing the real you down the road off this drug? Sorry just know you said on the trip you will be taking adderall.
My opinion if you can afford inpatient out of pocket somehow do it and go cold turkey. Actually think you’d be forced to but not sure. Heard new gov grants allow free rehab to combat the opioid crisis not sure how legit that info is but might do some research on it. If not then you may try tapering down and do outpatient but it will take you much longer. Until it’s day 1 of 0mg of adderall you really have not started your brains recovery so keep that in mind.
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This may be all overwhelming the truth about the battle ahead. Here is a post from a guy I started to follow on Facebook that may give you motavtion on this journey.
”Be willing to go to war with yourself!
We don't know what we can't do until someone tells us. Most of us are willing to do anything to pursue our dreams then people tell us how dangerous or stupid our dreams are. They tell us about the downside. They tell us about our limitations and how the others before us didn't make it. They give us other options instead of what we want to do. They talk us out of our dreams. This is one reason I invented the fucking cookie jar!
You must create a system that constantly reminds you who the fuck you are! You are only capable of living up to the image you create in your mind. Life is not going to pick you up when you fall. There will be forks in the road, knives in the fucking back, mountains to climb, etc. Prepare yourself! We know life can be hard and yet we feel sorry for ourselves when life isn't fair! You will be made fun of! You will feel insecure! You may not be the best! You may be the only black, white, female, male, gay, lesbian or whatever! Get over it! There will be times where you feel alone!
Our minds are fucking strong, we have just stopped using them! We have access to so many more resources today and yet do less than those who came before us! No one gives you wisdom. You get that shit as you struggle on your journey.
It's ok to be afraid but it's not ok to be a coward. When I was in SEAL training the Pacific Ocean was always cold. When my mind realized I wasn't going to quit, the water warmed. The water never really warmed I just no longer gave a fuck.”
- David Goggins
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5 hours ago, Catherine1 said:
Thank you for the insight. Congrats on quitting adderall and pain pills, my friend said they are one of the hardest to kick. I am hoping to do this on my own without rehab, besides from fear of my employer finding out, I don’t know if insurance will cover it. I do want to quit and I know I have to as it’s putting a lot of stress on my body and heart, but I’m scared of quitting as well.
I don’t know how to function without the drug. Just an hour ago I had a important call with a big client and took extra adderall beforehand because I was nervous/I like the way it makes me feel and I felt I would do better on the call if I did. I know that’s not normal and I need to stop. Do you think rehab is best because of the services they offer? If I were to come clean to my employer, they can’t fire me over this? I want to make sure my job will be secure when I get back. When people quit, do they find it hard to perform at work or stay focused even after months of stopping? Thanks!!I did a outpatient rehab program I had no insurance coverage so paid out of pocket. You can call your insurance company find out if your covered. Of course if not u can do outpatient a lot cheaper but if I could have gone inpatient would have for sure. Why Id suggest a inpatient if your insurance covers is so you can take that time off work honestly u at least need a month of not worrying about the morning alarm deadlines etc u must focus completely on getting yourself healed. Here is a link I found regards to being fired.
http://www.drug-rehab-experts.org/treatment-information/can-my-employer-fire-me-if-i-go-to-rehab/
Yes it will probably be a struggle months after stopping not going to lie but possibly going to a actual inpatient rehab you may gain tools many of us never learned. If I was to go inpatient I’d do research see which one would have professionals who could help with this specific problem. What I hate is most often they see us no different than a person hooked on blow and opioids. Although many things I learned in rehab did apply but it’s different I’m completely over pain pills yet still after this long I still think about adderall question how much better could I do things with it. But it’s a lie it simply stopped working and I can’t beleive at 11yrs your still getting much benefits far is work performance and concentration. For me at the end I became a complete scattered brained unfocused irrational mad man and only cared about taking more adderall. You never know you could tell your employer and they say something like “We’ve noticed something wrong this might be the best thing for you.” So often on this drug we think everyone looks at us in awe but reality is they might be thinking “Wtf is wrong with this person?”
Heck if you do all this go back to work realize you still can’t stop and rather risk a heart attack at least you really gave it a try.
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Yeah I’ll wait to see the response on here. I highly doubt they will really show the true dark side. Seeing that football player pissed me off a 100% ban like steroids should be in place for all high school, college and professional sports. It’s funny see so many die hard sports fans say if a favorite athlete gets busted taking steroids they are a no good piece of shit cheater. I’m like dude you know a large percentage take amphetamines for focus and unlimited energy with a doctors note? How many athletes will see this documentary and sprint to a doctor to get this medication because by far athletes could care less about long term consequences.
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1 hour ago, Cheeri0 said:
Garbage. Fucking garbage. It's so telling to me that a group of intelligent adults sat around in a room and decided this was the kind of content Americans wanted to see and were willing to pay for. Living a natural life in the body that I was given by the universe and embracing its design sounds more appealing to me than pumping it full of man-made chemicals for the sake of accumulating more shit I don't need. I understand the desire for success. I'm an adderall addict, of course I have the desire for greatness. But hopefully people will realize that ultimately this drug makes things worse, not better. I don't want any success I wasn't capable of achieving with the tools I was given by my higher power.
I try not to get preachy/too idealistic on these forums, but God damn. That trash riled me up.
Did you watch it? Be honest sort of scared to the promo alone brought up thoughts my addicted brain told me for years on why I should keep taking it.
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26 minutes ago, Catherine1 said:
Thank you both for the helpful advice. I work at a big finance firm so the hours are crazy and it’s high stress which is why I’m worried I won’t be able to function at work without it. I’m taking a week off next week to visit friends in FL but I don’t want to quit then since I want to enjoy my time with my friends who I haven’t seen in years. I have one more week of paid time off to use so I could quit and use that time off to recover.
The first time I quit I went cold turkey and the withdrawals were so bad I gave up on day 3. The second time I quit I tried to taper down but kept delaying lowering the dose and then found an excuse as to why I couldn’t do it (deadline, it’s never a good time) I’ve done damage to my heart and developed high blood pressure due to adderall and my last EKG showed a heart murmur. I know if I don’t stop, I’ll end up very sick.A new friend of mine who I’ve became close with and who has been in rehab for pain pill addiction called me out on my adderall use and said he is worried and I need to stop. He keeps telling me I’ll feel a lot better once I do. I’m scared of quitting to be honest. I don’t remember who I was before I started taking the pills. Sorry for the rambling.I did talk to my doctor and she will prescribe a lower dose on a tapering schedule for me. I’m required to come in person to see her during this time. Would you suggest it’s better to go cold turkey and be very uncomfortable or try to taper and be mildly uncomfortable? Thank you both again for the helpful advice and for giving me hope
Unfortunately recovery takes months even years not weeks. If I did not own a small buisness where I could make my own schedule honestly don’t know how I could have done it. Here is the deal if you were taking cocaine everyday to get by would you consider going into a in patient rehab to save your life? Well truth is adderall is more powerful narcotic and overtime it will kill you the human body was not meant to consume amphetamines daily. I think your only hope come clean with your employer tell them you need possibly a month or two of inpatient rehab to kick a very dangerous prescribed drug that will kill you if you don’t stop. If not guess you could keep doing it and have a stoke at work. I know during the height of my 9 yr use I wanted to die vs take on trying to quit this drug. I’ve been clean now 2yrs 4 months was also taking a lot of pain pills quit them both. It hasn’t been easy but can be done good luck to you.
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From the promo looks like a fucking adderall funded documentary.
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8 hours ago, Danquit said:
It’s a bump in the road. You are two years without Adderall so if you don’t take anymore then it will be quick to recover from one pill. I will take this as a warning though because I am at close to two years and I feel like I am home free but I know all it takes is a moment of weakness and I could end up back in the nightmare. Get rid of any stashed you might have. I can’t imagine being able to hold onto any stash for two years! No way!
Yes it seems at two years I had and others a huge final push to really want it again. After a couple months past it has progressively gotten better but yes watch that two year mark. I think we feel a little let down things should be a lot better. It will get better but not magically at two year point for most.
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The first time I quit addy I kept a stash around. My honest thinking was it’s a dooms day kit. If a nuclear war broke out or zombies I could use those pills to be superhuman and save my family lol. I stashed them in a hard to reach spot in the ceiling rafters knowing the only time I’d go through the trouble to get them was a real emergency. After a month of stopping I climbed up got a broom and fought to get them out. No nuclear war and no zombies just gave in had to do laundry or something. I think the lesson here is never have any emergency stash.
Duffman know this was a bump in the road but stay close to this site it helps. If you would have given your thoughts leading up to this event chances are someone would have given you some good advice that may have persuaded you against taking it.
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On 2/28/2018 at 8:16 PM, EricP said:Totally understood!! I get frustrated also as even after months I still have what I call “crash days” after good ones where I just end up wiped out and almost stuck on the couch all day. The anxiety is near gone now for me however finding consistent energy is still a challenge. Coffee does nothing for me still other than the smell/taste therapeutic effect on cold mornings...
I find it amusing people with the “I must have my morning coffee memes.” Like dude that’s nothing try doing addy for several years every morning to wake up and stopping lmao. Recall most days I’d set my alarm early take a pill go back to sleep for 15 minutes then wake up wired as fuck. Those were the days if I only had video of how insane I must have acted most of the time.
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Congrats on seeing the light so soon yes stop cold turkey ASAP be the best choice in my opinion. Good luck !
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I could never pass a biology exam in college on or off adderall if it makes you feel better lol. I went to a trade school best choice I made in life. Adderall was the worst choice along with a couple of bad woman. A huge shortage of electricians, plumbers, hvac professionals is happening right now. I guess they are looked down upon but you look at what the salary is minus no huge tuition loans it’s a pretty good deal. Plus like me after a couple of years you can start your own buisness if desired. Just see so many younger people on here stressing with college and abusing the hell out of this drug to get by.
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1 hour ago, Fix said:
thank you very much. Yea, my original plan, well I was contemplating, to take an adderall tmrw so I could survive going through the 2 tests, but I really don't want to because I don't want to relapse. Also, my issue wasn't only the withdrawal and the fact that the tests I have to write are gonna be a challenge and back to back same day, but also I have terrible sleeping patterns. My tests tmrw at 9am-12pm, then 12pm-2pm. For the past 3 nights I've fallen asleep between 9-11 IN THE MORNING. So I would definitely fail the 2nd test at least tmrw due to tiredness and fact that the 2nd one is the hardest. I will get the sick note tmrw after I write the first one and tell the school, if they ask which they prob wont cuz universities don't really care, I was already sick and barely got through the 1st one in the morning. Hopefully all goes well, I don't want to feel like a bad person getting a sick note but I've been struggling really hard and don't know what how to cope. Thanks for the support!
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If you were getting a sick note because you had party plans you’d be in the wrong. Delaying a test so you do not relapse taking adderall again is not unethical whatsoever. Also you might try Melatonin for a good nights sleep any place that sells supplements has them.
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From my personal experience I’d toss that Xanax away. Sounds like so far your not into taking it but be aware it actually creates anxiety your brain gets use to it and without it things can get real bad. I recall one day driving and had to pull over I was freaking out about everything to scared to even drive sat in a parking lot for 2hrs. Never in my life had I had panic attacks. I didn’t even connect that I was using Xanax often to knock myself out from 48 hr binges on addy and OxyContin. But finally did research found the Xanax was causing these attacks.
I was on 60mg of adderall but often took way more than that. My length of time was around 9yrs and been clean for 2yrs 3months. Things are finally turning around for the better looking at things more positive. Given your length of time and dosage guessing your recovery time will be shorter but doesn’t mean it will be easy. You go back on it now your just going to make things harder in the future. Understand at no point of your life is it ever a convenient time to stop.
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Wow powerful stuff I definitely feel if your not in NA should start going ASAP you could gain a lot from those meetings. Post on here often we all are here to help each other out.
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1 hour ago, Tom23Jones said:
Yeah hes made mention of adderall on so many different podcasts. Theres been several guests that have admitted to being on it. Its always so obvious the ones that are on it anyhow, they have a certain hollowness about them and they talk in one long run on sentence lol.
Yep normally I turn those ones off don’t give a damn what they have to say. It’s cheating it’s fake and I don’t have anything to learn from someone who can’t do life without it.
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1 hour ago, Tom23Jones said:
Awesome! I need to listen to this entire podcast episode asap... I've heard its an epic one
Yes its very inspirational changing my view of struggling off this medication. Everybody on here might benefit listing to that podcast episode.
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If your going to continue to take Id at least recommend trying to decrease your amount each day to get the process started. Calculate each day for two months to get to Omg the final day. Cut up your pills put them in a day to day pill dispenser you can buy them cheap at drug store. The extra pills toss down the toilet it’s a bold move but really test who is control your brain or the pills. This is how I successfully quit after failing at cold turkey method for 30days. I know most do not recommend this route think it all depends your situation and how much self control you have. But feel u just say two more months will turn into another two months if no real game plan is in place. Don’t wait to get help start now NA meetings are free start going ASAP. Good luck whichever route you choose.