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19 hours ago, dolssa said:
ummm... YES.
Absolutely, and for me never really improved from quitting. Night vision issues and some depth perception problems. Reading glasses also however that is likely just age...
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My understanding is SSRI’s are much easier to get off of than SNRI’s... I’d also stay away from mood stabilizers or antipsychotics as those are very hard to quit.
I tried Zoloft for awhile and honestly getting off it was easy because it seemed to make me more tired than I already was.
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True that, also in ways even worse after quitting in the first few weeks. I was in the dumps and with my mood on top of it people thought I was very sick.
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5 hours ago, Maximusncn said:
Where is admin?
I'ts important.
Thanks.Hello, What can I help you with?
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I am so sorry to hear your situation! I was in your shoes 3yrs ago and I can tell you you are feeling the worst of it now but things do improve!
I can tell you that the drinking will become a huge setback in your healing. You body needs to heal right now and while the alcohol is likely the only vice you have to feel somewhat normal when your buzzed, it's effects on a healing brain are terrible. Alcohol is a depressant and with the depressing nature and sensitivity of your healing this will only compound the problem worse and worse day by day.
Do whatever you can to stop drinking, if you need something to calm your nerves I'd go to cannabis before alcohol. Exercise is huge also however one step at a time!
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When will I feel again? - Wow this is a great question. I can tell you I have had a really hard time with this since quitting Adderall. It seems like Adderall messes up our reward system so badly that we are to the point that without it we are desensitized. And with it we are just flooded with reward (when its working). I have been sober for 3yrs now and can still feel a slight disconnection from "feeling" the way I used to. Sadness is easier than joy and it at times can really take a lot to feel happy. It will get better for you especially after the 12-18mo mark. We are all different in our healing so you may recover faster or better than I did, but I can say I still have a bit of diminished connection in this area. I can say reducing stress, obligations and staying around positive people helps a lot.
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So sorry to hear your struggles. Many of us have been where you are. It does get better however the process is the biggest challenge I have ever faced... What med was your doc thinking as an alternative? Many here have used Wellbutrin however IMO it is a stimulant just not a too bad of one. It may be a half step to get on something like that. Caffeine feels like nothing to me still after quitting 3yrs so I'd not expect results from that... Otherwise eat healthy, sleep a full night and try to get air and exercise...
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On 10/6/2020 at 11:38 AM, JennyF said:
Hi Speedracer,
I just hit 15 months and experience something similar whenever I have too much social interaction. Last week I went to a hike and then a winery with 2 friends. I didn’t drink anything because I’m trying to stay away from alcohol but we were together for the entire day. The next day I woke up feeling as if I had a terrible hangover. Totally drained, no energy, no motivation, felt terrible. This is not the first time this has happened to me and I notice it is always whenever I have to talk to people a lot. My brain can’t handle the extra effort lol.
If anyone has any insight on when this gets better please share!
No insight on when these things go away. Each of us have out own story and healing timeline. However what you shared really hits home. Social scenarios definitely bring on some unwelcome fatigue. The hiking may have also had something to do with it if you don't exercise regularly. I find anytime I take more than two weeks off of exercising when I go back to the gym it hits a pretty hard the next day.
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Hello Speedracer... I also have these types of symptoms, more around 16 months than now (3yrs) however I can tell you I still have days I fight the symptoms you describe. I am uncertain anymore if this is still symptoms of what adderall use did to my brain or if I was just predispositioned to have these symptoms which may have drawn me to Addy in the first place. Healthy eating, exercise and positive surroundings help a lot; negative thoughts seem to linger after quitting Addy for me. . We still need a little Ben and Jerrys once in awhile however it should be a weekly treat not a nightly necessity. I wish I have a magic answer but unfortunately all I can say we are all better off quitting Addy and slowly over time things do improve, just don't overthink the negative as it will bring you down longer. Take Care
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1 hour ago, Gordon7913 said:
@EricP I use a person out of Oregon where psilocybin has been decriminalized, he then packages and sends my micro to me in Austin, TX where I live. I found the micro very helpful in easing the withdrawal and fatigue I was experiencing in between doses and will continue using it now that I have stopped the Adderall all together.
Glad to hear you have a reliable source. I tried ordering from our of the country and got caught up in customs... I hear it does wonders for depression and mood... Hoping more cities allow it in CA soon so I can try it
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Congratulations on your quest to quit adderall. I believe your supplement list is fairly accurate to help you however it will be a long road regardless. Prepare yourself for some awful days. It is really worth it once you make it toward the 1yr mark.
What is your source for psilocybin? I have been very curious to try micro dosing however it only seems to be legal in very few cities...
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Alcohol and Addy definitely have some correlation to each other... When I was on Addy I feel like it helped me perform during the day however when I would go home at night I would feel edgy with a touch of anxiety. Alcohol curbed that feeling and helped me sleep also; however my tolerance to Alcohol went up significantly. Also in social situations I would do both and with that combo I'd rarely feel drunk...
Now having quit Addy I stopped drinking during the process for 6mo or so. I now still drink occasionally however I really watch myself. Usually a glass of wine with a nice steak etc. Only a couple times since I drank too much and still oddly I don't feel very drunk even when I drink too much however the hangover whatever high dose damage drinking does is simply not worth it!
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Gosh I feel for you... Even myself after 3yrs still have that lingering feeling of what would just one pill would feel like... The euphoria of Adderall has poisoned us all. Being sober now 3yrs besides an occasional drink; I look at my kids and their friends on how happy they are without a single substance having ever altered their minds. I often wish I knew what I know now when I was their age as I believe every substance is mind altering & has an additive effect in slowly altering our minds to dim a little more and more.
When I first took Addy it was like wow, this is my life saver. This is how I should feel... And it did last quite a long time until it slowly didn't. I found I felt good but I literally became a little frozen. I began to be less productive and didn't know why, I'd up my dose and feel better and be productive but it was temporary. I started having crashes and some days just didn't feel well. I started having angry moments that were more of a rage than anger in a situation that had some justification for anger but I couldn't control how angry I got. Oddly I also recall not feeling the effects of getting drunk while I was using. I could drink a decent amount and hardly get a buzz... I first started cutting back drinking and started eating healthier & tried exercising but nothing helped this up and down unwell feeling I had. Then I cut Addy and wow was my world upside down...
I think for me the combo of realizing what this made me feel like after years being on it and knowing the euphoria was running out, then getting off of it and seeing how it had full control of me; this was enough. Yes, I daydream about "one pill" but will never go back after all it put me thru!
I think the sooner you can quit 100% the more likely that one day you will have your full happy self without medication.
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So happy to hear you found something that helped! I didn't experience any luck with Wellbutrin however I can say I started it when I was likely not fully detoxed from Adderall and my anxiety was super high. I felt super jittery on it and couldn't keep taking it.
It has been a common remedy for some and I hope its positive effects don't diminish for you. Keep posting your progress as it could help others in the future!
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Awesome you figured it out!
Zoom is a great tool and what a perfect use with this topic and especially during Covid for those interested to share their experiences and help each other! Unfortunately this Friday I will be on the road to Los Angeles however I hope to join next time assuming you all decide to do it again.
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On 9/14/2020 at 10:07 AM, letsgetzooted said:
Thank you so much for the response. Are there any supplements you have liked that you might suggest?
At this point I only take L-tyrosine. I used to also take 5htp and intermittent mucuna pruriens. Plus a bunch of other things trial and error that didn't seem to help. All of theses I listed have subtle effects. Mucuna shouldn't be taken every day but maybe 3 days then 1 off. See if it helps after 2-3 weeks, if not no sense in taking these. On really bad days that I needed a boost I drank a Bang Energy drink once in awhile. Lots of caffeine and no sugar. Will get you thru a bad day or situation you don't have the energy for. I wouldn't recommend energy drinks for a daily thing, just mention it as it saved my ass on days I dragged so badly I would have lost work without the help. I'll see if I can think of anything else. Nootropics never helped me specifically however I can say a lot of reading had me convinced some would help but really didn't for me... I also feel like cutting back on sugar helped, whenever I had a lot of sugar I would crash hard. Eat healthy and try to exercise!
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21 hours ago, letsgetzooted said:
Hey all. I have been trying to quit for about 5 months now.... and right now I am 24 days clean. This week I have been struggling EXTRA hard with fatigue and exhaustion no matter how much I sleep. I exercise regularly, eat extremely healthy. Those boxes are checked. I am planning to get blood work done soon to see if I have a nutritional deficiency that is causing the fatigue.
In the meantime, I am in graduate school and barely able to get through my work. I am interested in taking supplements and I wonder if anyone has suggestions. A strange thing as of late is that caffeine actually makes me 10X more tired. I wondering if anyone has had the same problem? This could be due to my brain chemistry still trying to repair itself after years of Adderall use and abuse. I abused badly for only a few months, therefore I hope my recovery is somewhat quick.
As for supplements and nootropics, these are the ones I am interested in: L-tyrosine, phenibut, phenylpiraetam, Centrophenoxine, and adrafinil, to name a few.
Any and all suggestions are appreciated!
Here is what I can tell you on these specifically:
L-tyrosine: Is a precursor to Dopamine. Very subtle effects however I do believe it helps to take this 2x daily. Morning and lunch time.
Phenibut: Is not good. It works on the gaba receptors and will have similar side effects of Benzo's when you try to stop. It is mainly used for sleep of bad anxiety. I'd avoid it due to the dependency issues.
Phenylpiraetam & Adrafinil are both stimulants and somewhat similar to Modafinil. Both have been used to treat ADHD and low energy. I found Adrafinil to make me jittery. I only slightly experimented with these.
Centrophenoxine: Never tried this. Is an interesting one, I don't see as much harm in trying this one as it mainly works to increase acetylcholine for memory and cognitive boost.
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@sweetupbaaby I’m so happy you found something that helped! There has been a strong consensus on this site that SSRI’s haven’t helped many with PAWS and honestly can say I have spent hundreds of hours researching what Adderall does to the brain and what remedies are out there to help recover. I literally have educated my doctors and they have thanked me for the insight I have given them for future patients. Doctors don’t spend that many hours specifically studying what we have all experienced and few even believe Adderall has a withdrawal period beyond 1-3mo. Yet you are right I am not a doctor.
In the end each person has to take the advice of doctors and others that have been thru this into consideration and decide which step is worth the time and effort to see if it works. Resorting to more meds is a hard one for me as it takes time to see if it helps and takes time to get back off it if it doesn’t. I hate the idea of what the process will be like to remove that drug from our lives down the road. Hard to know the end game and what is best. SSRIs like you are on are fairly harmless for most so it is great that it is working for you and one day you can likely taper with subtle side effects.
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1 hour ago, speedracer said:
I spoke to my doctor who initially wanted to try me on Celexa, but after I told him about this site and the consensus for Wellbutrin, he agreed to go with that route instead. I will keep you posted.
I think if you are going to try a prescription Wellbutrin is the way to go, I know it has helped others here. Celexa could possibly lift depression a slight bit however from my experience SSRI's will also make you very lethargic. Wellbutrin will help with depression and give you a slight lift. Some doctors stack the Wellbutrin on an SSRI however I never went that far.
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18 hours ago, dolssa said:
exactly its just more jittery. Did you switch to a different antidepressant? @EricP
thanks for the reply!
Unfortunately nothing I tried worked. I tried both SSRIs and SNRIs. It is documented in many places that increasing serotonin depletes dopamine. As sleepy stupid said our issue is more of a dopamine deficiency. The SNRI may help as it has a slight stimulant property however it comes with jitters also. Both tend to have sexual side effects (diminished desire).
The best things for me seemed to be a healthy balanced diet; also research foods that help support your body producing dopamine. Hydrate a lot and do your best to exercise even if it is 15-30min a day a few times a week, keep pushing yourself to exercise more and you will start to feel better after 1-3 months.
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It is IMO a stimulant and even prescribing info says it does have stimulating effects. I'd Google it! I took Wellburtin for a few weeks in attempt to fight what you are going thru. I didn't notice much on my initial 100mg dose, once I bumped to 200mg I had a little of that adderall feeling. For me was a bit more jittery feeling and just a reminder of what I wanted to get away from. Also only felt minor improvements in the depression and stopped before I got in the same situation with another medication
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Just an update, I am helping as an Administrator and working on being more aggressive with the spam situation. Please flag anything as soon as you see it, I am not on here every minute of every day so any reporting is very helpful. I have removed posts and banned every spam user I could find going back a few months.
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33 minutes ago, speedracer said:
Totally agree Eric! I was saddened to see so much. I was about to say something too. The russian stuff is bizarre. I did a google translation this morning for the first time on one of the paragraphs and it was about movies and random stuff....WTF?
Maybe one of us could volunteer to keep watch and have the ability to wipe it clean as soon as it comes up?
Yeah I don't know who is moderating these days. I reported a few in hopes someone would address it. Not sure the process in becoming a moderator...
huge step back at over a year clean
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As SleepyStupid said congrats on your progress! It is completely normal after giving up a miserable year of your life to give in & try it again. With all the progress I have made I still have wandering thoughts on how it would feel to try "just one", not happening! But still the thought enters my head on some bad days. It's a difficult journey and I know you can get thru it. You haven't been back on it for that long so you should be able to get back to where in your healing process very soon. Keep doing healthy things when you can. Eat healthy hike, bike, workout even a simple walk. It might take everything in you to do it but you'll be glad you did...