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lol dude, you'll know when the time has arrived... there is no universal set regiment of recovery processes.

http://youtu.be/kY84MRnxVzo

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... or, do it all Rocky XXXXVXI style and jog with logs on your back, do crunches with your kid, shovel lots of snow, take the stairs anywhere you go... burn more calories than before, stay active, build some muscle, eat right n not too much, n don't buy junk- cuz you'll eat it. n join the Y. might suck a little at first but it feels great later on when you see n feel progress...

dude, diet and exercise. you know the drill. sucks but it's something you CAN manage and keep in check. just depends on how bad you want it......................

hahaha, I've said it before, I'll say it again... http://www.hulu.com/watch/68225 best Debbie Downer I've seen...

I used to shoot speedballs way back in my mid 20s. got busted a bunch of times, did rehab for a couple of years, used in rehab, got caught, did more rehab, used more, went to jail... same dumb cycle everyone who doesn't die goes thru. Did a bunch of NA. It was good to get some tools to help stop, but what really did it for me was deciding I wanted something different. I saw a few friends die in recovery when they went out and OD'd, saw friends get HIV, saw friends get put in prison by their probation officers for violating, and I saw what my stupid decisions did to my loved ones. The most important thing for your husband to do is to REDEFINE HIMSELF. That's why I don't like NA or AA. All those counting of days, telling war stories, etc keeps people tied to the past. Now that part of me is my past, but it is not who I am today. I am open about that part of my past with people, but I'm not proud of it, nor do I romanticize it like I used to. What it took was getting busted one last time, going to jail, and then deciding that I didn't want to be like that any more. I didn't want to emulate the people in NA, didn't want to die, didn't want to go to prison. I completely redefined who I was inside. I stopped all that old behavior and regained a sense of ethics, right and wrong, morality, spirituality. Though the adderall has had much less of an impact on me than the speedballs and that whole lifestyle did, it is still the same thing. I had a sober NYE this year. By choice I chilled out and had a mellow night. I do still drink, but less and less as I get more and more into being healthy, eating healthy, studying healthy eating... Someone on here recommended the book Healing with Whole Foods, which I got and am into... We all have to want to be better than we were, and strive to better ourselves constantly. Neversaynever, I hope your husband gets out and uses his hopefully sober time in prison as a launch to keep getting better.

I can see both points... like quitting smoking for instance: if you get the will and drive to quit, its best to just quit then and there, not put it off till new years when you might not have the same motivation and drive... on the flip side, new years marks an epoch of sorts, a chance to do something different this year than last, almost like a clean slate... I think it depends on the resolution, but in a lot of ways, its best to carpe diem and do it rather than put it off.... you can resolve to not do adderall in 2013, but you can also start early in 2012 and keep going thru the new year, rather than binge up until nye and then quit after that.... to each their own, but definitely carpe diem...

hey, one thing I've noticed is a lot of new folks come on this forum and tell their story of quitting, maybe say one or two more things, and then disappear.... now I'm not entirely sure why, but I surmise that a lot of them don't keep coming back because they keep on using... can't be sure if I'm right or wrong, but I bet most keep on going... and of those, I think most have been the weeners... those who put their quit date down the line and then try to ween off probably end up using some more.... I might be wrong, tell me if you think I'm off base on this one, but I think "Now is the time to quit" and suffer thru it is a hell of a lot more of a commitment to quitting than weening. Maybe some folks on here weened off successfully, I'm not sure, but eventually you have to just stop, and make it thru... so Steve, I think you made a good call... be one of the ones that keeps coming back, keep on posting on here, it does you and others good...

hey my brother falcon, I don't think they meant any insult, I think they both said they tried the breathing exercise and dug it... you're right, not everything is for everyone, but I didn't read any insult or sarcasm in what they said my man, I think they were both with you on it... I gotta try your tea combo, sounds pretty good, tho I drink lots of caffeinated tea during the day, so maybe at night I'll try it so I can unwind and sleep...

haha, I bet the bottled water lobby is in on it too, both make you SO THIRSTY!! yeah, was a lot of meds to be on at once for me, tho I liked the Wellbutrin better than any other anti depressant, maybe because it was also stimulating, but sure made me chill the fuck out on my 'isms'... You have a great New Year too brother!

lol that was one long run! downtown LA, back n forth thru 3rd st tunnel, to Hollywood, Griffith park, then to Santa Monica... oh probably only 44 or so miles, all before sunrise... did I just sound like The Californians? http://youtu.be/czLXk2ttp_M still tho, cool vid with a cool message.

my dr had me on adderall and Wellbutrin together fyi...

hey you guys, thanks! Definitely was one of those "triggers" that cause relapse if one's not careful.... family, travel, stress, hunger,... all adds up to that "just one..." thinking that quickly leads back to square one. I'm very grateful I didn't do it, and yes quit-once I was thinking the same thing- If I have the cig, then it'll be much easier to just smoke a bowl, etc etc... so having a strong craving and being on a mission but not going thru with it is great exercise in seeing you can do it, can get thru it, and can remain successfully quitting....... Falcon my man! nice new picture!

I was so close to relapsing tonight, on cigarettes... it has been 3 weeks sans cigs, and after a 5 day visit with family, a delayed flight, having to switch planes at the airport due to a broken plane, bla bla bla rough travels, I finally got to my car and was on the cigarette mission in my head... the kind where I started planning on what I was going to do, convinced myself to just get a pack, take out two, throw away the rest, and enjoy.... only I didn't. And I didn't in large part because of this forum. I know this ain't the Quitting Smoking forum, but what we all talk about, espouse, and the talk we walk kept me from doing it.... I was in my car, thinking of 7/11, and then I got myself off that train of thought, decided I'd regret it in the morning, decided I would start the smoking chain all over again if I had "just one, or two..." and decided I liked it a hell of a lot better now that I don't smoke, smoke weed, or take adderall... and told myself if I stopped thinking about it and thinking that cig would help calm my frustration and nerves and taste so good that that thought would go away, and it did. So hurrfuckingah! thanks ya'll.

hey Debra, how many times have you heard/seen stories of folks told they'd never walk again, never talk again, etc... and they surmount the odds and run triathlons and ski and whatnot? you stated what you want, achieve that, not the doctors prognosis- use that as fire and flame to kick it and reverse the "damage done", research how to heal yourself and your brain- fuck an a people have overcome much worse, use it to say to yourself and the world, "no fucking way am I throwing in the towel and going on SSI" and do what you gotta do to be who you want to be...

yeah good job neversaynever!! that's what it's all about for us, taking the "hard" road, not giving in, sticking to our commitment and knowing its going to be much better. that's called 'bucking the fuck up and doing it' right there! high five!!

reread what I said, I was reiterating what you said- not discouraging you. to sum up, get off the fence, you are better off without it, going to school isn't setting yourself up for failure, thinking you can't do it with or without adderall is. you can do it without and you'll be much better off, going back to it to get thru college will be creating more and bigger problems to deal with.

you're setting yourself up for failure and you haven't even started yet. with or without it you're fucking yourself from the he go. without you're going to fail cuz you got ADD from adderall, with it you're going to be fucked cuz now you're abusing adderall again. problem is you, your train of thought. get off the fence, quit thinking of it as an option, figure out another way, don't create more problems for yourself.

right on brotha, good on you...! welcome to the forum!

haha sounds like a scene out of Monty Python's The Holy Grail... !! at least the kid didn't ask if you were pregnant...! one things for sure, he won't forget that incident too soon, if ever!

no not really, just kind of a depressing lonely time.... what are you going thru?

the exercise is one facet of a new healthy you... exercise in and of itself can be good, or harmful, depending on the other facets... go easy, get some insight from experts, like trainers, or books, or talking to people who you think got it goin on at the gym... you can over do it, and too much exercise can actually be harmful and destructive, as can working out too often too hard, it's a combo of cardio and weights (suited to your goals, body, age, and how much lululemon gear you have), diet, rest periods, protein intake, etc etc etc.... also, be careful of setting yourself up for failure.... I mean, if you set a goal of 5x a week, and for some reasons you can't meet that goal every week, are you going to feel like a failure? are you going to be mad at yourself or resentful towards those who might have gotten in your way?? Exercise does become a great addition to your day. Especially after you begin to see and feel the results. And it also becomes a lifestyle; you want to eat healthier, evolve your workout so that you can fine tune areas you want to fine tune, even driving to the gym becomes sort of ironic, as does trying to get the closest parking spot... just so you can get in there and run... anyhoo, aim high, but don't set yourself up for failure or disappointment... we're all cheering you on no matter what kind of progress you make, as long as it's progress and evolution and ascension.

well, for one, don't take it personally... you never know what they're looking for, who they think the ideal candidate is, etc... the interviewer might have his own prejudices that have nothing to do with you, he might be having a bad day, he might be constipated, he might be on adderall.... who knows!! I know I preach to the choir, but we can't second guess people! It just doesn't work and no matter what, we're 99% of the time wrong! Maybe he is having an affair, maybe he was attracted to you, maybe he was so excited about you that he had to consciously tone it back a little so you wouldn't get a big head, maybe he was intimidated by you, maybe you had spinach in your teeth... WHO KNOWS!!?? All we can do is prey for what we want, hope for it, be prepared to deal with the outcome, realize that not everything is within our power, realize that we can do our best but sometimes that's not sufficient because of a myriad of reasons out of our control, and realize that sometimes it's THEM and not us........... you did your best, maybe this gig ain't the best for you....???? who knows! but if it turns out that you don't get the job, don't beat yourself up.... it probably wasn't you, it was probably him.... he's probably having an affair with his neighbor.

not for nothing but is that sort of realization one that can be induced, or does everyone have to come to that conclusion by their own round about way?? I mean, it's like a switch that has to be flipped inside, and only we as keepers of that switch can flip it... I think we can keep each other motivated to keep on keeping on, trudge thru the difficult days of recovery while building a new self, but can we ever convince people or help to convince themselves to flip that switch? remember being in the midst of using, if people tried to talk to us about it it was "uh huh" "yeah" "sure" bla bla bla, like charlie browns parents... I mean, it doesn't work. I'm not sure what compels people to come to this site when they're taking adderall again, or write posts about quitting while on adderall, its selfish and self serving, the fact that it might help others to realize we're much better off now is purely coincidental and subjective judgement. If people truly aren't ready to stop, they're not ready to stop. They have to realize themselves how fucked up things have gotten, how much they've lost, how much damage has been done in order to want to stop, or to even be able to listen and hear what others are saying to encourage them to make that decision to quit. Hey gonzo, why do you come to these boards? Not that you're not welcome or free to do so or whatever, but what is the compulsion to want to surround yourself with people who are all in various stages of recovering from adderall abuse? If you're convinced that you can easily live in that space between using freely with no regret or sense of consequences & not using at all and happy to be doing so (in a loose sense of happiness, or not), why hang out here? Is there a seed planted within you that says what you're doing isn't the best idea? I don't get it.